Hi everyone,
We still have about 5 spots available for the powerskating session on January 23 - 6:30 Clareview B.
If you would like to attend, please send an email to [email protected]
There is no cost to you. This will also be the last one of the year.
Shelley and Darby
Hi everyone,
There is still lots of room available in our early bird clinics on August 17 and 18. To register, you needed to be registered as a Level 2 in the 2023-2024 season.
Please consider registering.
Hi everyone,
This email is specifically pertains to Level 3 officials. Your clinic links will be up and running as soon as the in-person clinics are all solidified. We’re not sure how long this will take, but please be patient. Keep an eye out and we will let you know once anything changes.
Hi everyone,
We have released some early bird clinics.
For the August 17 clinics, the deadline to register is August 12.
For the August 18 clinics, the deadline to register is August 13.
If you are interested, please follow on of the attached links.
AGM and Year End Social
Monday April 15, 2024
7:00PM
MLAC Clubhouse - 12133 67 Street NW
The AGM will include 2024 Award Presentations and year end reports from Executive Members. Pizza and Beverages will be provided to those that attend with time to hang around and chat with fellow officials following the meeting. Remember to bring cash with you.
50/50 tickets are 1 for $2, 3 for $5, 10 for $10.
This year the North Zone Annual golf tournament will be hosted at Black Bull golf course, near Ma-Me-o beach. Transportation from Edmonton to and from the course will be provided free of charge. Space on the bus is limited to 54 officials, All players MUST be registered Hockey Alberta Officials. Teams are welcome and encouraged. Prizes for best dressed team, shortest drive onto fairway and others for a fun filled day of golf!
If you are Interested in Joining the annual Golf Tournament, please contact Jeff Howe at [email protected]
AGM and Year End Social
Monday April 15, 2024
7:00PM
MLAC Clubhouse - 12133 67 Street NW
The AGM will include 2024 Award Presentations and year end reports from Executive Members. Pizza and Beverages will be provided to those that attend with time to hang around and chat with fellow officials following the meeting. Remember to bring cash with you.
50/50 tickets are 1 for $2, 3 for $5, 10 for $10.
North Region March Newsletter
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Greetings from Herman Costa
Hello everyone:
With the season coming to an end, I would like to thank all officials for all their hard work and commitment to the North Region Officiating program. We registered over 2000 officials in the North Region this season so a big thank you to all the instructors, clinic contacts, RIC’s and Dean Ziegler for doing a great job. Holding clinics for this many officials takes a lot of work and time to get it all done. With the regular season over and with playoffs more than halfway done it is very important that we know the rules for the leagues that we are officiating in. Provincials will be starting soon so congratulations to all officials that are selected to work playoffs and provincials.
I would also like to congratulate all North Region officials that received international or national assignments as well as all officials invited to High Performance camps. Your commitment and dedication show with all the hard work, training and personal sacrifice you make to reach the top levels of officiating each season.
We held a general meeting on Nov. 27 but due to issues with securing a facility we were unable to hold a second general meeting. We have secured a facility for our Annual General Meeting and awards presentation on April 15th, 2024, at MLAC facility 12133-67 St, the meeting will start at 7PM. We hope all officials will be able to attend and support our award winners. The best way to keep up to date about what’s happening in the officiating program is to keep checking the website, we will post any new information here. North Region - Edmonton, Jasper, Ft McMurray, Wetaskiwin, Whitecourt & Areas | Hockey Alberta | Officials Committee
As this season draws to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your unwavering dedication and hard work to the North Region Executive Committee and all the RIC’s in the region. Your tireless efforts behind the scenes have been instrumental in ensuring the smooth functioning of our officiating program. Thank you for your invaluable contributions.
Herman Costa
North Region Coordinator
Clinics - Dean Ziegler
ATTENTION:
There will be referee clinics in August for all returning level 2 officials, no new officials. We will be having clinics each weekend and will add a more if the registration numbers dictate. The clinics will all be public, and the links will be available at a later date. These clinics will be open to anyone who wants to travel to the centers to attend the clinic. Each clinic will have a maximum of 30 officials per class, no exceptions.
REMEMBER:
If you are over the age of 19, you will be required to have a criminal record check before you will be allowed to sign up.
August 17 - Louis St. Laurent Catholic School, 11230 43 Ave NW, Edmonton, AB
Gary Greenough
August 17 - Louis St. Laurent Catholic School, 11230 43 Ave NW, Edmonton, AB
Gary Greenough
August 17 - M.E. LaZerte High School, 6804 144 Ave NW, Edmonton, AB
Alex Becigneul
August 18 – Johnny Bright School, 1331 Rutherford Rd SW, Edmonton, AB
Ron Oscroft
August 18 – Johnny Bright School, 1331 Rutherford Rd SW, Edmonton, AB
Ron Oscroft
August 18 - M.E. LaZerte High School, 6804 144 Ave NW, Edmonton, AB
Alex Becigneul
August 24 – St. Albert Catholic High School, 33 Malmo Ave, St. Albert. AB
Joe Becigneul
August 24 – St. Albert Catholic High School, 33 Malmo Ave, St. Albert, AB
Joe Becigneul
August 24 – Ardrossan Rec Center, 80 First Ave, Ardrossan, AB
Ray Keller, Kyle Edwards
August 25 – Grant Fuhr Arena, 9 Agrena Rd, Spruce Grove, AB
Darcy Carter
August 25 - TBA
Darcy Carter
August 25 - Ardrossan Rec Center, 80 First Ave, Ardrossan, AB
Ray Keller, Kyle Edwards
AGM and Year End Social
Monday April 15, 2024
7:00PM
MLAC Clubhouse - 12133 67 Street NW
The AGM will include 2024 Award Presentations and year end reports from Executive Members. Pizza and Beverages will be provided to those that attend with time to hang around and chat with fellow officials following the meeting. Remember to bring cash with you.
50/50 tickets are 1 for $2, 3 for $5, 10 for $10.
Federation - Duncan MacDougall
As this is the first newsletter since December, I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the volunteer referees who participated in the 2024 edition of Quikcard Edmonton Minor Hockey Week. This was the 60th anniversary of the tournament that began in 1964.The top ten participating volunteer officials in Edmonton were Jacob Bettio (12), James Dundas (11), Quinn Goplin (11), Keith Gwynne (11), Kaden Bilsky (10), Burke Hughes (10), Isaac Tanouye (10), James Henderson (9), Brandon Webb (9), Jay Crocket (8), David Han (8), and Duncan MacDougall (8). There were 1,908 volunteer referee assignments with 1,314 of those in Edmonton.
Three officials from Sherwood Park, three officials from Beaumont and nine officials from St. Albert travelled into Edmonton to work games in the finals on January 20th and January 21st.
The QEMHW tournament committee has again provided 150 referee recognition jackets. Jacket recipients are selected by random draw. Each volunteer official gets one entry into the draw for each game that they officiate as a volunteer. All volunteer officials from the EFHL communities that hosted games were entered into the draw. Jackets should be available for distribution as early as late March but it could be as late as the end of May.
Native Provincials - Scott Mah
The Native 2024 Provincial Tournament is in the Edmonton area once again. There are games in all categories of hockey from U 11 to U 21. The tournament runs April 4 - 7 in arenas all over the city with most categories running out of the same arena all day. Most games run the 2 official system and are 1 hour to 1.5 hour time slots depending on the categories. For those who have officiated this tournament we look forward to hearing from you again and if not, this is a great tournament to get some great experience and skate one more time before summer break.
Please contact me if you have any questions about the tournament.
Scott Mah 780 966 7268
Native Provincial RIC
My assignors for this Tournament are listed. Please contact them if you would like to skate games and they will get back to you when the tournament schedule comes out. Please also be honest and don’t try and skate a category you have not done before.
Sanjeev Bhagrath [email protected] U21 and U18 hockey
Scott Mah [email protected] U18 hockey
Brandon Perri [email protected] U15 hockey
Brett Niawchuk [email protected] U13 hockey
Travis Stewart [email protected] U11 hockey
Golf - Jeff Howe
American Hockey League - Taylor Burzminski
It has been an exciting year for myself with just getting hired by the American Hockey League this past summer. I’ve been fortunate to skate all over North America this season and see lots of new city’s and rinks across the AHL. Working with different officials, players and coaches has been great for my development. We also get coaching from NHL/AHL Officiating Managers which has been very beneficial for myself. Overall I feel extremely fortunate to have the opportunity to officiate in the AHL and I’m hopeful that there is more seasons to come. Looking forward to sharing new tools and tricks of the trade at Hockey Alberta development camp this summer!
Arctic Winter Games - Chiara Knowlton
"I was honored to be selected to skate the Alberta Winter Games and skate the gold medal game. I was excited to skate with new and some familiar faces. I’ve also highly valued opportunities like these to not only compete for my region but getting to bond with my fellow female officials. I enjoyed learning from the supervisors on and off the ice. Experiences like these inspire me to elevate my game to the next level and beyond.
I wanted to thank both the North Region female program and the St. Albert Referees Association for giving me opportunities to learn, grow, achieve, and give back to the best officiating programs in the province."
-Chiara
All of the North Region officials in the tournament did an amazing job!
Female - Darby Readman and Shelley Knowlton
Janine Van der Wekken, Chiara Knowlton, Neve Palmer, Shelby Lazarowich and Alyssa Maier attended the Arctic Winter Games. We had a very strong showing with Chiara, Neve and Alyssa skating the gold medal game. Shelby and Janine skated the bronze.
We are sending a crew to the U18AAA provincials: Megan French, Chiara Knowlton, Neve Palmer, Lauren Fox. Hayley Butz will aid in supervising the tournament.
Hayley Butz was selected to skate the final round of USport Nationals. We also had Shelley Knowlton, Megan French and Kennedy Roblin skate second round.
The following officials have been selected to skate ACAC playoffs: Ashley Castelo, Michelle Gariepy, Cassidy Brand, Chiara Knowlton, Jessica Trombley, Reagan Houweling, Jodie Van Spronsen, Neve Palmer, and Lauren Fox.
We will again be hosting the Beaumont U15AA Showcase. The officials selected for the event are: Kimberlee Young, Harjap Khella, Billie Reimer, Mystery Shaw, Sienna Theoret, Taya Komant, Elizabeth Lyseng, Katrina Gelinas, and Kaitlyn Tremblay.
Congrats to Megan French for skating the gold medal game at the CSSHL Female U18 Prep Western Championships in Penticton!
3C’s Female Officials Clinic in Coronation, AB - Ashley Castelo
Carmen Sydor and I had the pleasure of instructing a special all girls officials clinic in Coronation, Alberta on Saturday, January 27 in honour of Female Hockey Day. This was an event in Central Alberta happening in conjunction with Hockey Alberta’s Female Hockey Day across the province on January 27.
We drove down to the 3C’s, which is a minor hockey association made up of Castor, Coronation, and Consort. With the ingenuity and initiative of Tara from the town of Castor, we had 22 awesome young ladies as clinic attendees, ranging in age from 13 to 17, who came from as far away as Killam and Daysland.
After a busy day in the classroom (Curling Club) and on the ice, we were fortunate to cap off the clinic with a group game outing to watch the local officials of a girls U13 hockey game. What better way to reinforce all the teachings!
Carmen is a master at getting young referees engaged in the material while sticking to a packed itinerary of activities. For example, I look forward to using the signal game “Head-To-Head” in future clinics. Thanks to Brett Kelly at Hockey Alberta for his work in making this happen, as well as Tara Jenkins from the town of Castor. The future of female hockey came calling, and Carmen and I were so excited to play a part in their officiating journeys.
-Ashley Castelo
Hi everyone,
Just a reminder about scholarships. The deadline is Friday March 1.
Please find attached the Scholarship Information. If you qualify, please consider applying!
Hi everyone,
Please find attached the Scholarship Information. If you qualify, please consider applying!
Hi everyone,
Due to unforeseen circumstances the General Meeting on January 22 has been postponed to another date. We will let everyone know when we have secured a facility and date.
Thank you.
Hi everyone,
There will be a skate in St. Albert on Tuesday December 12 at 6:30pm. It will be held at Troy Murray Arena in Servus Place. It is a great opportunity to meet other officials, brush up on some procedures and learn something new. If you’re able to make it, please consider!
Shelley and Darby
North Region December Newsletter
Greetings from Herman Costa
Hello everyone:
I would like to welcome all new and returning officials to the 2023/24 Officiating season. With the season well under way, we have seen a lot of changes in the program and a lot of information that needed to be relayed to all officials. I would like to thank the north region executive members and all the RIC’s for all the hard work at the beginning of the season. All your help and dedication to the officiating program helps keep things going smoothly. The clinic season is now completed, and We managed to register over 2000 officials in the north region. Thanks to Dean Ziegler and the Instructors for all the hard work this past clinic season.
We Held out first general meeting on Nov. 27 and we will be holding our 2nd general meeting on Monday Jan 22. We hope we can get more officials to attend the next meeting as its always nice to get reacquainted with those that we haven’t seen in a long time. We are once again planning to have our annual general meeting and awards presentation in April 2023 (exact date to be announced). We hope all officials will be able to attend and support our award winners. The best way to keep up to date about what’s happening in the officiating program is to keep checking the website, we will post any new information here. North Region Website
Reclassification applications are now being accepted for the 2023/2024 season. We are accepting applications for level 3 upgrades as well as MHP/NHP. More info can be found here. Upgrades | Hockey Alberta | Officials Committee Application can be found here.
Officials Development program applications are now open here is a link to the requirements needed to attend. https://officials.hockeyalberta.ca/development/officials-development-program/ This program is open to all Male and female officials that meet the criteria. Contact Colin Watt at [email protected] if you are interested or if you need more information.
Congratulations to the following officials for being selected to officiate at the Circle K Classic Tournament in Calgary on Dec 27 to Jan 1. Spencer Acheson, Keaton Spirig, Parker Adam, Travis Stewart, Dyson Zukiwsky, Jared Gilbeau, Andrew Hutton, Jarrett Bossert, Kameron Bauer and Jarod Tait.
Congratulations to the following officials who officiated at an International or National tournament this past season.
Hayley Butz national Women’s U18 Championship in Dawson Creek, she skated the Gold medal Game.
Alex Homer World U17 Hockey Challenge in PEI. He Skated the bronze medal Game.
I’d like to wish all officials and their families a happy holiday season and a great new year.
Herman Costa
North Region Coordinator
NHL Heritage Classic Experience
The clinic commenced with a brief introduction of the officials—Garrett Rank, Eric Furlatt, Andrew Smith, and Travis Toomey—followed by a walk down to the ice-level and a group photo. The view was breathtaking, with floodlights illuminating the venue under the night sky. As we entered the facility for the clinic, everyone we encountered greeted us warmly, creating a welcoming atmosphere.
The in-class session kicked off with a comprehensive introduction to the NHL personnel and respective officials, featuring Senior Manager of Officiating Taryn Daneman and our host, the VP and Director of Officiating Stephen Walkom. Following the introductions, we were treated to a delightful dinner before delving into the planned activities. While enjoying our meal, a captivating video showcasing highlights from the previous NHL season was presented. The video eloquently captured the raw emotions associated with the game at every level of hockey, fostering a profound appreciation for the significance of the clinic. It was a moment of realization, acknowledging the privilege we held in being part of such a noteworthy event.
Much of the clinic focused on a theme the NHL used for its own clinic and will continue to use throughout the season. This theme was called RITHEM, for ‘React In The Moment’. The group was split into breakout groups with one NHL official assigned to each group. We discussed situational and general scenarios for which our objective was to discuss solutions and strategies to effectively manage the game. This gave us younger officials a chance to bounce some ideas off the NHL officials and receive their valuable input. Each group summarized their strategies and shared them with the larger group, all tied back to the overarching theme of RITHEM.
Throughout the clinic, the importance of mental and physical fitness was emphasised, as this is what allows officials to make the best decisions on the ice and shows the accountability an official has to the game of hockey, irrespective of the level.
Later, the group engaged in a game of Kahoot, where questions pertained to video replays of on-ice scenarios and some personal questions about the NHL officials. Participants were given a timed window to select the correct ruling, and the highest scorer won a signed NHL linesperson jersey from all the NHL officials present at the NHL clinic held before the season.
Finally, the group gathered for a Q/A session with the NHL officials. Numerous insightful questions about their experiences and advice were posed. My question was directed at the linespersons, inquiring about the adjustment to the new offside rule change from ‘position of the skates’ to ‘breaking the plane.’ They shared that the transition was challenging considering all the factors of an NHL-pace hockey game, but it helps knowing the call can be corrected with video replay.
As a parting gift, all attendees received a custom Heritage Classic hat and whistle. It was an extraordinary experience to be surrounded by such accomplished officials and talented individuals. Being part of the NHL Heritage Classic Officials Development Clinic was an honor and a genuine privilege.
Jasvinder Dhaliwal
2023 World U17 Hockey Challenge - Experience
I was very grateful to be selected to attend the World U17 Hockey Challenge in Charlottetown/Summerside PEI from November 2 to November 11, along with 13 other officials from across Canada.
The tournament was supervised by Todd Robinson (Hockey Canada) and Todd Thomander (Hockey Canada) who both provided very valuable feedback and guidance over the 10-day tournament.
I was fortunate to be able to skate 6 games over the course of the 10 days, where I was able to see every team in the tournament at least once and was extremely grateful to be assigned the Bronze Medal game between Sweden and Czechia.
I always believe that one of the best parts of these tournaments is getting to meet the other officials from the surrounding provinces. The officiating community is like a second family to me, and I couldn’t have asked for a better group of officials to spend the 2 weeks with.
Thank-you to Hockey Canada, Hockey Alberta, and the North Region for giving me the opportunity at skating such a world class event.
Alex Homer
National Female U18 Championship 2023
I had the opportunity to attend the National Female U18 Championship as a referee in Dawson Creek, BC from November 5-12, 2023. I was fortunate to be selected as one of the 8 referees and 8 linespersons from across Canada. U18 Nationals is a Hockey Canada event where provinces compete against one another for the National title. There were 8 teams present – British Colombia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario Blue, Ontario Red, Quebec, and Atlantic. I had the chance to officiate 6 games throughout the week, including my gold medal game assignment between Quebec and Ontario Red. The tournament was supervised by Vanessa Stratton and Heather Richardson, both high performance coaches with Hockey Canada. They provided valuable feedback throughout the tournament.
Meeting other officials from across Canada is a unique opportunity. I was fortunate to be apart of a group of supportive officials at this event and create bonds, as well as friendships that span over the entire country.
Thank you to Hockey Canada, the North Zone female development team and my many mentors for supporting my goals at a national level.
Hayley Butz
Quikcard Edmonton Minor Hockey Week 2024
The Quikcard Edmonton Minor Hockey Week tournament will take place from January 12th to January 21st. This will be the sixtieth edition of the tournament that was first held in 1964. Last year all members of the Edmonton Federation Hockey League (EFHL) entered teams. Tournament games are played in arenas in most of the participating EFHL communities. The finals, which usually number around sixty-five games, will be held at Edmonton’s Terwillegar Recreation Centre on January 20th and 21st.
The officials will again participate as volunteers. Officials have been part of the large number of tournament volunteers since the tournament’s inception in 1964. Consider volunteering and please participate in the tournament when asked. Your participation will result in a successful tournament.
Duncan MacDougall
Scholarships
Colin Hackett Scholarship
In November 2016, the North Region lost Colin Hackett, an inspirational mentor and official, after a two-year battle with colon cancer. Colin became an inspiration to many after his diagnosis, as he would officiate games days after undergoing chemotherapy treatment and continued to mentor younger officials. He also refereed for the World’s Longest Hockey Game while wearing his chemotherapy pack and undergoing treatment during the game. Off the ice, Colin gave a motivational speech to more than 2000 people at the Enbridge Ride to Conquer Cancer and then rode for 200 km with the group. During his courageous two-year battle with colon cancer, Colin continued to be a mentor to many officials and volunteered his time as Vice Chair.
Applications for this year’s Colin Hackett Memorial Scholarship are now open. Please go to www.hockeyalberta.ca and click on the North Region Awards for all the requirements and rules for applying. This is open to all officials who are going to be attending post-Secondary education. Applications will taken until March 1, 2024.
Hockey Alberta Officials Committee Scholarship
Value:
Annually – Maximum of three (3) awards of up to $1,500.
Scholarships are presented to applicants who meet the following criteria:
· A member in good standing with Hockey Alberta in the current season with a minimum of Level 2 certification.
· A resident of Alberta for at least 2 years.
· 18 years of age by December 15 of the season s/he is applying for scholarship.
· An active official, working games at any level.
· Attending a post-secondary institution in a recognized program on a full-time basis, including a recognized trade school program. Transcript of class enrolment is required.
· Other criteria will include, but is not limited to, the applicant’s on-ice ability and off-ice contribution to his/her Region.
Deadline:
Application deadline is April 1 of each year.
Applicant could be applying for the year just being completed in order to qualify.
Kenneth R. Stiles Scholarship
The Kenneth R. Stiles Memorial Scholarship was established by the Seaman Hotchkiss Hockey Foundation (formerly Project 75) and Hockey Canada in recognition of Ken Stiles and his tremendous contribution to grassroots hockey in Canada.
Through the vision and leadership of the Seaman Hotchkiss Hockey Foundation, many Hockey Canada development programs have received their start. The Hockey Canada Officiating Program of Excellence is an excellent example of this support.
The Seaman Hotchkiss Hockey Foundation is committed to providing Canadian student athletes and officials with access to financial resources to support their pursuit of post-secondary education.
Scholarships are allocated (one major award of $5,000 and three minor awards of $1,000 each) for both Male and Female officials. Male recipients must have been part of the Hockey Canada OPEO in the past and female officials must be at minimum Level 3 certification.
The deadline for applications is April 15, 2022. Full criteria are included in the application form package
Edmonton Invitational TOC Scholarship
The Edmonton Invitational Bantam Tournament of Champions is providing the North Region Officials with a $1000 scholarship to be awarded to an official who officiated at the Bantam level this season. Officiating in the annual Edmonton Invitational Bantam Tournament (EBIT) of Champions would be a plus. The funds will be held in escrow until the official provides the EBIT Scholarship Committee with an official receipt showing proof of registration or tuition payment to a post-secondary education institution. Should the official not provide such and reach the age of 23 years old, the scholarship will be returned to the EBIT Scholarship Fund.
The criteria for the award is:
1. Academic accolades (current marks as of March 1). A letter from current registered school will provide information.
2. Athletic accolades, if any.
3. Applicant to write an essay (minimum 200 words) outlining why s/he deserves the scholarship and what being an official has done for him or her.
4. Letters of Reference.
Please apply to the EBIT Scholarship Committee no later than March 1 of the current season. Nominees may be interviewed.
Only the successful candidate will be notified, and the name will be posted on the EBIT and Hockey Alberta Officials website. No individual can win more than one scholarship.
All scholarships can be applied for at www.hockeyalberta.ca under the Officials tab for the North Region.
U18AA
U16AA Scotiabank tournament of champions was held Nov 10-13. Officials did a magnificent job throughout and were highly spoken of from from the visiting teams from Calgary, Okotoks, and area.
The bronze medal game was officiated by:
Darian Hewson, Mackenzie Way, Zachary Tavares, Jacob Dunn
The gold medal game was officiated by:
Jamal Sakhi Khan, Graham Warner, Ryan Luz, Matthew Zhang
Minor Committee
First half of the season has been going well. We had our U16AA and U18AA Tournaments in November and the officiating was excellent throughout both. Looking ahead we have the U15AA Christmas Tournament in December, NAX U15Prep Showcase in January and NAX U17Prep Showcase in February. I’m expecting the outstanding commitment level, hustle and coachability of our officials to continue throughout the second half of the season as we prepare for playoffs.
Female Committee
The first half of the season has been great. We have over 150 female officials in the North Region.
At the beginning of the year we had a supervision experience at a Pandas game where officials could watch the game and sit in on the supervision. WE had some officials from Vegreville join us! We hope to have another supervision experience on January 27 for Female Hockey Day.
Quantum Speed ran power skating sessions for our officials. We had 15 show up. We have two more scheduled for December 18 and January 23. If you’d like to join, please email [email protected].
We had three games this year skated by all female crews!
U18AAA:
Referees: Hayley Butz and Suzanne Moneta
Lines: Megan French and Kennedy Roblin
The same crew above also skated a U18AAA Prep CSSHL Showcase game.
The following officials skated a U15AAA AEHL game:
Referees: Megan French and Michelle Gariepy
Lines: Haley Brand and Cassidy Brand
Huge congratulations to Hayley Butz who was selected to skate the gold medal game at the National Women’s U18 Championships in Dawson Creek!
A reminder that our General Meeting will take place on:
Monday, November 27, 2023 at CAC Arena - 7:30PM
Please be there if you are able!
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